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Fuck Da Police

I spent a chunk of today listening to old NWA because of a fight in the science fiction community (another one, I hear you say).

There's really not a whole lot to say about the debate, except, of course, that I thought the Carl Brandon Petition a bit silly, if for nothing that, yes, of course if you want to have a sane and rational conversation with someone you don't call them the first slur that comes to your mind; secondly, it's a bit of censorship; and thirdly, what's going to happen when people ignore it? It'd be cool if some sort of internet racial slur police van showed up at your door, kicked it in, took your keyboard and started hitting you round the head while saying, "You signed the petition! This is what happens when you sign the petition and don't abide by it! DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THE PETITION NOW COCKSUCKER!"

I mean, that'd be cool, but a touch unrealistic.


What has come out of this is the shocking number of people who didn't know who NWA were, a band that even I, young, white and in the Western suburbs of Sydney, listened too for my angry, psuedo social rebellion at a young age. So, in the aim to educate you all, I present 'Fuck Da Police':



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Jul. 29th, 2009 11:51 am (UTC)
I mostly remember Express Yourself. I didn't mind NWA but was more a Public Enemy kinda guy.

The line that confused me in the Bradon petition was this one:

>We hope for a quick end to arguments over whether or not unacceptable forms of debate should be allowable.

I've read that sentence seven or eight times and still don't know what they mean.
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:12 pm (UTC)
you know, i never remembed express yourself at all. i heard it recently again, but i'd forgotten all about it.

as for that sentence, its about not debating about debating with racial slurs, of course :)
Jul. 29th, 2009 12:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I liked PE more too - and Run-DMC. But I did enjoy Express Yourself: it was always on JJJ when I listened to it religiously, thinking I was the only one in my neighbourhood who knew what it was lol.

Fuck Tha Police shocked me at the time, and still does - which is kind of cool really.

Um, I can't say much about the petition stuff except for pointing out that a petition on someone's blog isn't going to change a damn thing. And that this kind of stuff is amusing and smacks of self-righteousness - why do these folks all take themselves so seriously anyway?
Jul. 29th, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC)
Self-righteousness is the vibe I get too.

In terms of hip-hop, I don't remember a lot of Run DMC except that Walk This Way duet was always on Rage. Mostly the early rap I liked was more the jazz rap stuff like De La Soul, Redhead Kingpin, Tribe Called Quest, Dream Warriors? Those are the bands I remember.

Oh and The Disposable Heroes of Hipoprisy :-)
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:13 pm (UTC)
people are a serious lot on the internet, which i'm sure you know. heh.

run dmc tho? man, that seems kind've wrong. maybe it's just cause i can remember the song with aerosmith.
Jul. 29th, 2009 02:30 pm (UTC)
As there is no 'net police, it isn't a bit censorship.

Open letters like that are designed for what used to be called consciousness raising. It's not going to change the mind of anyone who thinks that of course you should call people whiny niggers who have Al Sharpton on speed dial if you feel like it as part of some public polemic, but it does get the topic out there in a way that won't instantly descend to the same.
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
you can have a form of social censorship without net police. however, i think we can all agree that net police driving round in black vans to anyone who ever said something stupid on the net would be awesome. you'd look out onto the road and find nothing but black vans, in front of every second house and apartment block.

you are right about the consciousness raising, though.
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:17 pm (UTC)
Complaining about social censorship is silly. We're all condemned to freedom. Nothing is stopping you from shitting yourself in public if you wish to, except for the possibility of "social censorship."
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
i dunno, man. i reckon social censorship, or perhaps the effect of society creating a sense of what is right and wrong and enforcing it through its own forms of reward and punishment, is an effective tool. to each their own, i guess.
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
To a certain extent, sure. We CAN all shit ourselves in public, but most of us try to avoid doing so anyway.

It's just more than a little silly to point to a letter signed up some people when talking about social censorship. All societies have norms and deviations from those norms. What does censorship have to do with it? I mean, I think it would be a bad idea to write YOU LOATHESOME FUCKFACE HOW ABOUT I RAPE YOUR FLABBY WHITE ASS THE NEXT TIME IS SEE YOU! and on some level that is because of social norms.

Am I oppressed now?
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:32 pm (UTC)
i think you might be missing out, actually. my ass is kind've cute--it's not really flabby at all, but if you took me out for a nice dinner, maybe a walk on the beach...

but sure, i get your point.

Jul. 29th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC)
It'll be flabby after I'm done with it.
Jul. 29th, 2009 08:45 pm (UTC)
To show how happily out of touch I am, I didn't know the sf community was having a fight until now. About what, I still don't know, but I assume Harlan said a bad word. It's bullshit, one way or another, that I'm sure of...

Every time I see some piece of crap Albert Pyun movie with Ice Cube in it, I remember when he was really pissed off with NWA. and not just playing pissed off. I fucking love that album.

Gotta wonder how Lenny Bruce would feel about that petition. It's not as if political correctness equates with a pro-active stance against racism. For may people it's a lip service, a way of looking good without commitment. Bringing something Harlan said in some forum to somebody and making an issue of it trivializes the entire question of race.
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:20 pm (UTC)
i'm not quite sure how it began. something about some kind of cover, i think (realms of fantasy, maybe). ellison did his usual thing in a fight and made the mistake of calling tempest an NWA and saying he wanted to bitch slap her.

you know, it's always kind've seem strange to be how... well, happy ice cube seems these days. no anger, no resentment. i guess a big mansion and loads of cash makes a difference.
Jul. 29th, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
You seen Ice's wife? She's reminscent,, no doubt, of the cover that raised Temperst's ire.
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