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About Sunday.

It appears that Sunday's little bit of snark against that weak three paragraphs masquerading as a review bought out the hate, and it's like old times, all over again. Here is the latest from an Anonymous Poster whose IP is 220.237.88.128:

Ben Peek does it again
Here is a guy who spends huge amounts of time putting shit on other people's writing and then whinges conspiracy when gets a bad review. You need to grow up, Ben, you really do. You are acting like a paranoid child. Take the shit and deal with it. And stop hiding behind a hoody in your avatar to try to make yourself look awesome. You are turning into a sick little fuck, and it's about time you got your head out of the mess it's in.


You know how much I love the anonymous posters.

At any rate, 'my conspiracy theory' has been pulled up a few times, so I'll cut and paste this conversation between Russell Farr and Ben Payne on the former's blog:

note to self
never have a conversation with anyone, ever.

http://benpeek.livejournal.com/704678.html

benpayne
2009-01-18 12:58 pm (local)
Fuck me, who remembers 2006??

In my defence you were gonna publish it, so I didn't think it was a secret at all... *shrug*....

punkrocker1991
2009-01-18 01:28 pm (local)
dude, I'm not blaming you, I don't recall ever having a conversation with you where I've sworn you to secrecy.


Now, granted, linking this isn't going to do me any favours again. People are still going to go round the net and say I'm done, that I'm killing my 'career', that vanity publishers do my books, that I'm a troll, and all that shit they feel comfortable calling me. But the conspiracy angle shit, that's not my deal, and I'll attempt to squash that here. I made the comment simply because it was what I'd been told, nothing beyond that. Seemed to me a funny thing to note when a review appears some time after a book was published and it allowed me to get a kick in. (In case you're not sure what's going on, Farr's comment was in response to this: "Years ago, if I remember right, Ben Payne told me of a conversation he had with Farr, deep in the days when the Australian Spec Fic Scene used to get in an uproar every time I said anything slightly critical about their work, or their awards, or perhaps even the socks they wore. Anyhow, Payne said that Farr planned to write a scathing review of 26Lies, to let loose on it--it's been a while, so I'm not real sure on the details now, but at any rate, here it is, that piece of venom building in the back of Russell B. Farr's throat since 2006.")

Now, I figure people are going to believe what they want to believe about me, and that's life, I suppose. Lets all remember, though--



--that you can still buy the badge.

(crossposted)

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benpeek
Jan. 19th, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
thank you. it's beanie, but you know what it's like down here in the hood.
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cassiphone
Jan. 19th, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
Another member of the 'how not to be a person' brigade manages to provide a response deeply inappropriate in comparison to the original post.

I do understand your superpower to enrage people at times, but it's always deeply bizarre to find the ones who don't seem to need any encouragement in that direction. Good on you for learning about the IP address thing, it's amazing how often it comes in handy in internet spats.

(cough, the next step is to find comments from potential suspects who may have identified themselves in the past...)
benpeek
Jan. 19th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC)
i don't think this'll take too much work. in fact, likely the owner will identify himself within a day or two. that's what happens when you post their IP address.

as for the enrage thing... i dunno, i personally consider myself quite an easy going guy. i just occasionally like to get a rise out of people and enjoy saying poking fun at sacred cows. sometimes they just meet up nicely. sometimes, though, i reckon people do all the work without me...
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benpeek
Jan. 19th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
no!
frogworth
Jan. 19th, 2009 09:33 pm (UTC)
Anonymous is in QLD, if you're interested:
220.237.88.128 resolves to
"c220-237-88-128.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au"
benpeek
Jan. 19th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
yeah, i found that out last night. i think we might be all able to hazard a guess or two at some old favourites who that belongs too.
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lyndarama
Jan. 19th, 2009 10:24 pm (UTC)
Ha ha! You'll never guess it's really me!

Oh. Erm. Anyway...

I always thought that photo was demonstrating your impressive mono-brow.
benpeek
Jan. 19th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
just cause you can't have one as impressive. all you got is that smallish one ;p

Edited at 2009-01-19 10:25 pm (UTC)
drjon
Jan. 19th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
(Watch as drjon risks random opprobrium and targetted abuse yet again by voicing a Controversial Opinion in this Evil Forum of the Faux L'enfant Terrible...)

I've studied "Conspiracy Theory" (and the ways the label's been used) for decades. It's been fascinating to see the shift in the target from way-out, whacky high-end political speculation to... well, to just about any thesis the speaker disagrees with or wishes to smear.

I think even the most ardent smearophile would be reaching to say it's a "Conspiracy Theory" that Ticonderoga, for instance, would probably not be likely to publish you... but somehow I figure that would have been the case anyway, given they probably see no value in your work.

If you consider your "career" to be as an author in small publishing, you may well have given some small publishers pause, but if there's one thing that makes a publisher happy, it's people buying books. If one section of the publishing market is busy saying what a horrible fellow you are and how unreadable your work is, the odds are prettty good that there's another which is attracted by all the fuss. And fuss does, I'm sad to say, sell books.

I've found that it's an Interesting Thing, being a Publisher in one sphere, a Writer in a Second (pretty separate), a Member in a Third (again), and having close associates in a Fourth (again). You get to make Benchmark Tests. And you get to see from a privileged viewpoint how groups and their Focus Individuals respond to criticism from outsiders. Some respond well. Some... not so well.

And I must say, I'm glad I gafiated, even though I did meet some wonderful people and make some wonderful friends on the SF scene.

[Note to Third-Party Readers of this conversation between myself and benpeek: I respond well to polite interjection, just as I would if you approached us on the street. And, just as you'd imagine would be the case if our discussion was on the street, I respond poorly to impolite interjection. If you're someone I don't wish to discuss anything with, I'll make that point as politely as possible. If you don't recognise my words as being polite, I'd kindly advise you to educate yourself as to the meaning of the word, and possibly have a serious talk with your Mother about any other essential things she may have failed to teach you. Like basic toilet hygiene.]
benpeek
Jan. 19th, 2009 11:56 pm (UTC)
[Note to Third-Party Readers of this conversation between myself and benpeek: I respond well to polite interjection, just as I would if you approached us on the street. And, just as you'd imagine would be the case if our discussion was on the street, I respond poorly to impolite interjection. If you're someone I don't wish to discuss anything with, I'll make that point as politely as possible. If you don't recognise my words as being polite, I'd kindly advise you to educate yourself as to the meaning of the word, and possibly have a serious talk with your Mother about any other essential things she may have failed to teach you. Like basic toilet hygiene.]

also, i'll ban you and delete your comments.

anyhow, as for the conspiracy theory... mostly, i just didn't like the idea of giving the idea i had some kind of ticket on myself for shit. i'm quite aware of where i stand on the scale of things, and my little side note of what i heard years ago seems to have been taken the wrong way. however, to be honest, since sunday i've been to farr's blog and he doesn't look like he's doing so crash hot at the moment, so i kind've wish i'd just said nothing. but what's done is done (this post doesn't help, i know, but its what i feel i should make so...)

my career in the local australian small press scene is rather non-existent, but to be fair, there's honestly not a lot going on right now, and what does exist doesn't really suit the kind of work i do, or isn't the best of markets for it, so the whole thing is a bit of a non-issue. as for the rest, well, people buy them, some like them, some don't, and some people don't buy them--it's all cool.


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mondyboy
Jan. 20th, 2009 02:04 am (UTC)
My only problem with your original post is that you played the man and not the ball (to coin a lovely footy cliche). I mean, you can write whatever you like on your LJ. And people can ignore it, or respond to it, or engage with it, or print it out and use it as toilet paper.

But the thing is, you had a jab at the reviewer rather than the review itself. I know you didn't consider it a review - and maybe Russ would admit that it aint one of his best. I know if I'd got a review like that I would have been a tad upset. But I also thought, reading it, that it was a visceral reaction to the book, (especially this quote "The strength of the work lies in using the structure to create little moments of suspense while telling essentially uninteresting tales. This ends up being a bit like being fed day-old white bread a piece at a time when you’re not sure if you feel hungry or not.").

The fact that someone might find your stories whether true or not to be dull, is an interesting comment on the sort of book you were trying to write and what you were trying to achieve. Possinly Russ has missed the point, but he also may have put his finger on what makes 26 Lies work or not as the case may be.

So in my humble, if you were going to comment on the review, that's what I think you should have focussed on. And I think if you didn't know Russ, or didn't know the supposed two year old background to the review, that's probably what you would have done (i only say that because I've seen you take a similar approach before). And I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Because I think authors should defend their work against criticism if they feel that critique is wrong-headed. But when you start making statements about the motivation behind the review - and end off by belitting the reviewer and patting him on the head - well, I think you've missed the point.

But they, this aint my LJ and I don't need to read your words. And neither do any of us.
benpeek
Jan. 20th, 2009 02:33 am (UTC)
see, to me it wasn't a review at all, but mud slinging. that's why i played the man, like you said. perhaps it was influenced by the knowledge i had, and probably was, but if the piece was such thin stuff to begin with i might off gone there anyhow.

likely, though, i just would've skipped it if i'd known what i do now.
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ex_benpayne119
Jan. 20th, 2009 12:32 pm (UTC)
That's a hoodie???

I always thought you had a permanent natural shadow hanging over you!
benpeek
Jan. 20th, 2009 12:34 pm (UTC)
i can do both. it's an impressive hoodie.
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