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Spoilt! (Movie Tuesday)

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catsparx
May. 21st, 2007 11:48 pm (UTC)
thats pretty funny!
benpeek
May. 21st, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
you know, i've told so many people what rosebud is. people keep asking me--it's like one in ten people make it to the end of the film.
catsparx
May. 21st, 2007 11:59 pm (UTC)
there is another answer to what rosebud is... apparently. heard that one?
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
no?
catsparx
May. 22nd, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
when I studied Citizen Kane back at art school we were all dutifully informed that rosebud actually referred to the dudes wife's clitoris. Couldn't see it myself, but I nodded knowingly with all of the other students.
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 12:11 am (UTC)
haha. was there any reasoning behind this statement? i mean, the sled has the word 'rosebud' on it, and rosebud is the name given to his loss of innocence and childhood and so forth and all of that is, y'know, totally supported by the film...
catsparx
May. 22nd, 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
there was reasoning but I can't remember it. It may have been a direct reference to the real guy the film character was based on. it was one of those things that cool film students were supposed to know, like a trade secret.
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)
how strange. suppose it could be by that logic.
jack_ryder
May. 22nd, 2007 12:40 am (UTC)
It was meant to be a practical joke by Orson Welles on Randolph Hearts (who's lover Marion Davies had the afore mentioned clitoris.) So, not only is the main character based on Hearst, but the story concerns a reporter trying to find his lover's clitoris (and, who knows, Joseph Cotten may have been luckier in real life.)

The report I read was that it was the screen writer (Herman J. Mankiewicz) who "inserted" it in the script, based on popular gossip at the time.

Here's what the IMDB trivia section says:

William Randolph Hearst was infuriated by this movie, obviously based on his life. According to an essay written for the New York Review of Books by Gore Vidal "Rosebud" was Hearst's name for long-time mistress Marion Davies' clitoris. But screenwriter Herman J. Mankiewicz insisted that he took the name from a bicycle he owned as a child.

So it probably all comes down to Gore Vidal being a bitch.
jack_ryder
May. 22nd, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
Hearst - sorry about that.
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 12:46 am (UTC)
yeah, nah, i got you. i knew all the hearst stuff, but not the clit part. funny.
shadowsandice
May. 22nd, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
Yah, I just eyeballed that shirt. Hope it hasn't sold out by the next $10 sale.
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 12:45 am (UTC)
i went it. my size was nearly gone, so, y'know, i figured i'd go it.
norilana
May. 22nd, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
I love this, hilarious!
ashamel
May. 22nd, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
So am I a curmudgeon or just out of date for not wanting some of those things spoilt?
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 01:56 am (UTC)
you're all those things :)
ashamel
May. 22nd, 2007 02:00 am (UTC)
Sad but true.
mondyboy
May. 22nd, 2007 05:42 am (UTC)
My fiance just pointed out to me. I'm sooooo getting it. Though, who is DIL?
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 06:54 am (UTC)
i believe it's a reference to neil jordan's THE CRYING GAME...
mondyboy
May. 24th, 2007 08:42 am (UTC)
*slaps brainbox*

... I should have known.

And I just ordered my t-shirt.
kaolinfire
May. 22nd, 2007 06:32 am (UTC)
Wow.

Just wow. :)
(Anonymous)
May. 22nd, 2007 10:41 am (UTC)
What about "Louis Cypher: what are you people, fuckin' stupid?"

(I do like Angelheart, though.)
ex_chrisbil
May. 22nd, 2007 10:43 am (UTC)
Toss-socks - that was me!
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 10:53 am (UTC)
toss socks?

no one remembers ANGELHEART, man. with good reason :)
ex_chrisbil
May. 22nd, 2007 11:03 am (UTC)
'cos it violated their memories of The Cosby Show? :)

Blood! Chickens! SEX!
benpeek
May. 22nd, 2007 11:08 am (UTC)
cause it was shit, man :)

bout the only freaky and interesting thing in that whole film was robert deniro's nails.
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