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Harlan Ellison and Connie Willis





Is it me, or does Connie Willis look to be in pain at the end there?

These are vid stills taken from Edward Champion's blog. The video is here. It's the only place I've seen the images, actually. Maybe there are some cleaner ones around, who knows? As many people have said, the behaviour is unacceptable, and Ellison should have been kicked off the stage, and taken off there. I really don't have anything to add to what has already been said, but recently I had the joy of watching some Australians on the Eidolist react to it like it was 1955. It's unacceptable behaviour from anyone, no matter what they've done, or where they've been. I say this being a Twenty First Century Boy.

You know what my pet hate throughtout this whole thing is? How people refer to Harlan Ellison as HE. Stop that. It's fucking ridiculous.

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lokilokust
Sep. 2nd, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)
this whole thing is incredibly disturbing.
the lengths that people will go to in order to excuse the most terrible of behaviours still astounds me.
(and terrifies me when i think of what ELSE goes on that folks try to sweep under the rug.)
his public attempt at bullying her into accepting his bullshit apology is making feel a bit ill.
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and i'm REALLY sick of hearing people say 'but he was all for women's lib in the sixties!'
it's not the sixties anymore, and he's clearly not a friend to women anymore.
benpeek
Sep. 2nd, 2006 01:59 pm (UTC)
you know, i suspect that ellison isn't the kind of guy who would normally do this (unlike say asimov, who from all accounts, was). i've read comments by michael moorcock saying it's really out of character for him, so i probably wouldn't say he isn't a friend of women no more. but the behaviour is unacceptable. full stop. the behaviour shouldn't be accepted, ignored, or passed off as ellison doing whatever it is he does for shock value. it's unacceptable and he deserves the slap down he's getting. indeed, the slap down is probably long over due for other public behaviour.

it's unacceptable.

that's the beginning and end to it. unacceptable and i don't wish to see it.
lokilokust
Sep. 2nd, 2006 02:01 pm (UTC)
agreed.
leebattersby
Sep. 2nd, 2006 01:35 pm (UTC)
What gets me, what really gets right up my fucking nose (and what I ranted about on the Battersblog a couple of nights ago) is how people on both sides of the argument have become so caught up in the personalities involved that they've forgotten on simple fact:

Grabbing someone's breats without their permission is sexual assault.

Simple as that. He should have been dragged from the stage, cuffed and thrown in the back of a cruiser the moment it happened, and fuck the tradition/sobriety/we're all chums whatever nature of the event, and fuck the fact that he's Harlan the Toad God. Man's a sexual predator for that one act, and he should have been treated like one. Simple as that.

The fact that people are prepared to argue for this fucker just beggars my circuits.
lokilokust
Sep. 2nd, 2006 01:53 pm (UTC)
yes, yes, and yes again!
(Anonymous)
Sep. 2nd, 2006 02:25 pm (UTC)
Not pain, annoyance

I watched the video several times, and there is a delayed reaction. You see a tightness in her face right before she makes the final announcement of his name and then walks off.

Then again, what with all the hoopla, I may be reading too much into it.

But if the reports of what Connie said (and has NOT said, too) after the fact tells me that strained look on her face was a tell.

Mir
bodhichitta0
Sep. 2nd, 2006 03:34 pm (UTC)
I don't mean to sound trite here, but unless someone has ever grabbed you that way when you didn't invite it, you just don't know how awful it feels. And I really don't think that changes with how old you are. I worked as a waitress in a truckstop from 1984-1986 in a rural area off the Ohio Turnpike. Every time some old trucker or some guy traveling by himself would grab my ass or invade my personal space... well, it just makes you feel really awful. I'm not describing it very well but it makes you feel unsafe and unvalued and scared. Even if it was meant as a joke or whatever (I haven't read that much about it)...that's just not funny.
leebattersby
Sep. 3rd, 2006 12:23 am (UTC)
That's a disgrace: nobody deserves that kind of abuse, and I'm sorry to hear you were subjected to it.

Next time Ellison's at an awards ceremony, some publicly-acknowleged arsehole should strip his pants, grab his balls, and pull on them as hard as they can, just for a laugh, just coz it'll be "Battersby being Battersby"....

He'll see the joke, won't he?
bodhichitta0
Sep. 3rd, 2006 01:26 am (UTC)
Yes, that would put a new spin on it for him, wouldn't it? :-)

I'm certainly not claiming any great victimization here, or anything. I'm almost six feet tall and grew up with two older brothers, so I've always known how to take care of myself. And tons of girls I know have been through so much worse. But when something like that happens SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE... that's what makes you feel so blechy. (That's a technical term, BTW. ;-)) I mean, she was up on a stage at an awards ceremony, I am sure the LAST thing that entered her mind was "I'm going to get my tit grabbed tonight." And like when guys would grab my ass at work (and granted I was v. young at the time) there is this part of you that thinks "Are they going to be in the parking lot when I leave? Will there be more than one of them?" And you know, it's just not right that anyone should have to feel that way because someone is trying to cop a feel or get a laugh.
benpeek
Sep. 3rd, 2006 03:43 am (UTC)
the whole behaviour of it is just not acceptable, really, anywhere. i will repeat this line until everyone figures this, or i die, one or the other.
frumiousb
Sep. 3rd, 2006 07:25 am (UTC)
Yep. Really disturbing how many folks are looking for reasons to defend it.
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 29th, 2007 11:10 pm (UTC)
Ellison says he didn't do it
Ellison now says it never happened.

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/24/breast-of-show
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