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Israeli girls are writing on the bombs that will be dropped on Lebanon. One of them has written, "From Israel and Daniele."



Lets blog about racism for a bit and then go on with our lives, shall we?

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girliejones
Jul. 19th, 2006 03:18 am (UTC)
That's a bit disturbing.
benpeek
Jul. 19th, 2006 03:22 am (UTC)
i find it kinda depressing.
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jack_ryder
Jul. 19th, 2006 03:23 am (UTC)
Dennis Hopper said it best-
Do you know what a love letter is? It's a bullet from a fuckin' gun, fucker. If you receive a love letter from me, you are fucked forever. Do you understand, fuck? I'll send ya straight to Hell, fucker!
angriest
Jul. 19th, 2006 03:25 am (UTC)
Those two images are more horrifying to me than any horror story I've read this year. Why write fiction when the real world can punch you in the guts all by itself.

What an evil society that allows, even promotes, this kind of behaviour. It's sickening.
girliejones
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:12 am (UTC)
they look kinda happy to be doing it too. its very very wrong
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squirrel_monkey
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:37 am (UTC)
This is horrifying and depressing and wrong. However, I'm not sure what's your concern with blogging against racism is.
(Anonymous)
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
well this week we blog about how bad racism is. Next week we blog for homosexual equality and civil unions. The week after we blog against violence towards women.

So what?

Nothing changes.
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keris45
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
Dear gods, the lessons we teach our children!

These photos are doing well in the press up here in Malaysia, alongside news reports that point out that so far the barrage has killed 227 people, 203 of them civilians. It has wiped out whole families of kids, including a Canadian family of seven on holiday. And this is supposed to solve a problem with one's neighbours...how?

www.glendlarke.blogspot.com
benpeek
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:46 am (UTC)
And this is supposed to solve a problem with one's neighbours...how?

i don't know how anyone can think that this solves a problem.
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keris45
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:40 am (UTC)
Yeah, and that should be Glendalarke...
ataxi
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:03 am (UTC)
Insane (the photographs).

I have had this thought that has been gestating for a few days now, one of those thoughts you have about a situation like this which you're unsure about airing because you're insufficiently informed to back it up in a real debate.

It goes like this: terrorists, as opposed to conventional military forces and the nations that back them, have a better understanding of the fundamental humanity of their targets.

Hezbollah, when they fire rockets at Israeli civilians, know that they're trying to kill human beings, just as a suicide bomber who explodes himself in a marketplace does. Israel, on the other hand, behind a more sophisticated military machine, seems less cognizant of what the casualty figures actually mean. Just as Americans and Australians don't understand what "50,000 dead in Iraq" actually means ...

I don't have a moral judgement to make about this, it's just a thought - not a pro-terrorist one I hope.

Do the numbers dead actually make a difference when weighing up who is more in the wrong?

I was trying to think of a way of blogging about the recent outbreak of violence in Lebanon/Israel and I came up with this: the best thing would be a post that fills in the blanks of knowledge everyone has about it. The facts that the conventions of journalism presuppose for most reportage of the situation. Summary histories of Hezbollah, Hamas, Lebanon, Israel, the US, Beirut in the 80s, Palestine, Syria, the Five Days War, etc. An explanation of the differences between Sunni/Shia Islam and which groups adhere to which faith. The geographical locations of Haifa, Beirut, etc. I don't think most people blogging about this issue, or even writing print journalism about it, give sufficient time to these plain facts. Potentially they don't even know or care.
benpeek
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:34 am (UTC)
It goes like this: terrorists, as opposed to conventional military forces and the nations that back them, have a better understanding of the fundamental humanity of their targets.

the thought has crossed my mind. i don't know what you can really do with that thought, myself, and i don't know how true it is--maybe the military does know. there's more than one story of a soldier refusing to follow orders, after all. but then i tend to find that the term, terrorist, is a fairly useless one, and is only a label that is slapped down on people who aren't 'with us' so to say.
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benpeek
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:29 am (UTC)
But the cynic in me says: what's the greater evil? The idea of children signing ordnance; or the idea of a photographer who gives them pens, puts them in front of bombs, and then sells their image for cash?

yeah, i know.

but then i think: what's worse is the mentality that allows for a bunch of girls to get given markers to sign bombs, and the adults all stand round, and the photos get taken, and no one says, 'you know, maybe we're teaching the wrong thing with this.'
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frumiousb
Jul. 19th, 2006 06:30 am (UTC)
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ironed_orchid
Jul. 19th, 2006 07:02 am (UTC)
Ugh.
iagor
Jul. 19th, 2006 09:39 am (UTC)
At once reminiscent of Hitler Youth and USSR Young Pioneer propaganda outings. That's something they would actually have us do. I mean, we were forced to guard Lenin's bust, march, give little presentations on the superiority of Communism, and color sidewalks with propaganda chalk drawings. Why not sign bombs? I'm surprised it's Israel. A huge protion of the population are former USSR Jews. You'd think they'd know better.
barthanderson
Jul. 19th, 2006 11:08 am (UTC)
Those pics are a kick in the gut.

Where did you find them? Got a link?
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Jul. 19th, 2006 12:07 pm (UTC)
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ex_chrisbil
Jul. 19th, 2006 11:55 am (UTC)
"Return to sender."
scarlet_arts
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:21 am (UTC)
I've been really uncomfortable about these photos ever since seeing this entry. I had a bit of a hunt around to see if I could find out anything more, and discovered this.

Puts a bit of a different spin on it, although it's all still really disturbing. Anyway, thought you might be interested.
benpeek
Jul. 20th, 2006 07:07 am (UTC)
thanks! andy and i discussed that a bit yesterday. i posted a link up outside this, too.
(Anonymous)
Jul. 21st, 2006 01:21 am (UTC)
On the question of "apartheid." Well, obviously the situation is different in different areas of Israel/palestine. There's some info here:

http://www.arabhra.org/

and here:

http://www.derechos.org/human-rights/mena/iot.html

But basically, Israel was created by a colonial settlement, and there's a logic to this, which is to consider the land empty and the "indigenous" people as non-existant (this was famous in Australia as "terra nullius" but also present amongst the Zionist movement before the colonisation of Palestine). This involves, amongst other things, the setting up of a system of discrimination, which is legalised. Now how do you solve this? And what is the Zionist attitude to the Palestinians? The Zionists basically want to push Palestinians out of the area. And those who resist - such as Hamas (even though they were democratically elected (in fact one of the few democracies in the region!)) - need to be eliminated (which is what's going on now). The only way to justly deal with the situation is to have a united democratic state of Palestine which doesn't discriminate according to ethnicity or religion. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be just Jews who should be allowed to live there - which is the Zionist position. This democratic solution seems far-fetched, so another possibility would be a two-state solution, which would still leave people dispossessed of land and so on, but would be better than, say, the constant Israeli expansionism that's been happening.

And I don't think that Israel has anything to fear from its neighbouring states - it has the 3rd or 4th largest army in the world, it is funded massively by the United States.

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